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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 1, 2012 9:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Opinions be damned! The almighty standard of EPIC must be objectively defined and agreed upon by a congress of top scientists! Ha!

Well, Zimmer, you've certainly drizzled on my parade. I am humbled. This is not the Grateful Dead and I'm okay with that. I'm too young to have experienced the EPIC that you speak of.

I will say it wasn't the most ecstatic musical evening of my life, I've heard Furthur and other bands play better. BUT, the sequence of songs and their execution did catalyze a cathartic personal journey.

Good times.

p.s. This version of Unbroken Chain is better than the live versions with Garcia.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 3, 2012 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

"This version of Unbroken Chain is better than the live versions with Garcia."

Not setting the bar very high, are we? Jerry had one foot in the grave by the time they started playing that song. I saw them play it twice, and both sucked. Of course, that was in '95.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 3, 2012 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Yeah, it's pretty obvious. This statement was in response to Zimmer's statement regarding Furthur playing GD songs.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Oct 4, 2012 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Ironically (at least in terms of this thread), Welnick saved each of the few versions of Unbroken Chain that they did play.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 5, 2012 5:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

So sad. It might just be the worst song (purely in terms of performance, not composition) that the Dead ever played. Why they ever decided to finally starting working on such a complicated song when Garcia was in such a state of decline, I'll never know.

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Poster: Daddy D Date: Oct 2, 2012 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

IMHO Zimmer is correct that GD songs played--by Further--by definition cannot be described as "EPIC".

However, Deadpolitics is right in that--on paper--that is an EPIC set list.

Can you imagine if The Grateful Dead had played a show with a set list like this anytime from 1980 onwards? I think people would have spontaneously erupted into flames!

Which is also one of the reasons I get frustrated with certain bands today (not going to name names) who keep playing the same damn songs over & over again, show after show, year after year. As we all know, nothing lasts forever, and I can't help but wonder--5, 10, or 20 years, will they look back and regret not trying to play more interesting shows by writing more "epic" set lists for both themselves & their fans??

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Poster: ducats Date: Oct 2, 2012 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

the Unbroken Chain I saw at Coney Island was excellent - and ofcourse (1995) better than any of Jer's

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Poster: Rogue420 Date: Oct 3, 2012 1:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: HELP!! Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 HELP!

Hey out there in Dead Land! I took my girl to the Shoreline show on Sept 30th, 2012 and we both loved it. It was absolutely amazing, musically, they were tight, the tempo changes were seamless and reminded me of the last Jerry show I saw at Shoreline, and at CalExpo, I never wanted the show to end. I need help though, I am disabled, and was unable to stand in the 2 hour long line to get the CD recording of the show from that night. I was hoping that one of you either ad, or knew of a kind head that would share it with me. This show was very special to me, as it was my girls first ever show, and it would mean a LOT! Thank you!

Jrogue

rogue420@gmail.com

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Oct 4, 2012 6:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HELP!! Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 HELP!

try http://www.gnomesandhobbits.com/Project%2014%20Shows/093012_MountainView.html

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Oct 2, 2012 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Sorry dude a little too much to drink last night

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 2, 2012 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

It's okay, man. Got nothing but love for ya.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 1, 2012 9:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Don't worry about the "rain," DP. It's all part of the show :-)

I'm with you. Liszt was recognized in his time as an amazing pianist, apparently considered peerless by many, but I guess people could still call a performance of something by Liszt "epic." Wagner used to conduct his own operas, and I suppose that was amazing, but he hasn't done it in a while and the operas can still be "epic."

Amazing Jerry Music minus Jerry is certainly minus Jerry, but I don't see why it can't still be amazing. That's incredibly epic music in that second set, in a pull-out-all-stops combination, and if it was powerfully performed, it seems to me it could be pretty darned epic.

Let us know when it's posted!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 3, 2012 10:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Without chiming in on the applicability of the word "epic" to post-Garcia music, I think that Furthur's fancy setlists do more to pique people's interest in their shows than the actual performance of those sets. Jerry is irreplaceable. It's like the Miles Davis Quintet without Miles. Sure, Phil is great and all -- and I still think that he plays very well. But for me it's a little painful to hear his songs sung and played by those other guys. It's not about raw talent or ability -- it's about the voice and Jerry's gift for melody and improvisation.

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Poster: Daddy D Date: Oct 4, 2012 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

"Jerry is irreplaceable."

Besides this I doubt there's much else in the world we all can agree on, but I doubt anyone on this forum would argue with that sentiment.

I don't know why it is, but it doesn't bother me to listen to DSO or any other band for that matter play Dead (specifically Jerry) songs, I guess because I just take it for what it is--a band playing a cover song.

But for some inexplicable reason, when I listen to Further / The Other Ones / The Dead / whatever name their calling themselves these days, and I hear Bobby or Phil sing a Jerry song, I just can't enjoy it. Nothing against Bobby or Phil, they're entitled to do whatever they want, but personally I just don't enjoy hearing them sing Jerry songs. I 'd much rather hear them sing anything else.

But I do agree, Phil bass sounds great! I truly love Phil, I just wish he's sing his songs but otherwise stick to what he does best, playing lead bass and dropping bombs but leave the singing to others.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 2, 2012 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Thank you for your understanding! You put it way better than I could have~~~

I'll update with a show link soon.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 4, 2012 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Phil and Bob should be ashamed of themselves for playing on that version of the 11.It is a level below elevator music (muzak).

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Oct 4, 2012 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

An old deadhead friend of mine says the post Jerry stuff all sounds like this to him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0hyExZ9Dfo

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Poster: Deadhead225 Date: Oct 4, 2012 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Goot Gawd almighty Amen man! It IS just like that.

Last I saw them I half expected the bubbles to start floatin' up. All they were lackin' was the accordion.

Do some solo stuff and just let it go already.

The parking lot was more authentic than the show.

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 4, 2012 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

It sounds like the Viagra was bunk. The 11 was completely flaccid.

I'm sure if I was there I'd have a different perspective. I've seen DSO and JGB recently and enjoyed both....I'd probably enjoy this as well. But, like so many have said before regarding these bands....I can't really dig listening to them at home. If I want to hear The Eleven, I know exactly where to go. Why settle for less when the best is at your fingertips??

I DL'd($10) DSO's version of 5/11/72 from GAMH which I attended with JOTS(and it was a very hot show).....I don't think I've listened to all of it yet. Again always opting for the real thing.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 4, 2012 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Are you listening on laptop speakers? Did you listen to the St. Stephen that preceded it?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 4, 2012 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

I am listening on 4 JBL speakers plus a sub-woofer powered through a Yamaha receiver,there is no equipment that could make that pathetic reworking of a once powerful musical statement listenable.I did not listen to the St. Stephen and can't see what that would possibly have to do with how terrible the 11 is,I find Phil and Bob lowering themselves to playing with a tribute band guitarist to be sad and can't take seriously any music made by this band.As you can see there would be little reason for us to continue this conversation since we are coming at it from such disparate viewpoints.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 4, 2012 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

I wholly respect your opinion of the music and choice of sound equipment. Though the 11 is no match for those of 68/69, it was still an enjoyable part of the show.

I'd rather hang out with the best audience in rock and roll and listen to Phil and Bobby play live than sit at home and replay recordings from 40+ years ago. I could do that any day any hour if I wanted but getting to see/hear Phil and Bobby live is a relatively rare occurrence.

I doubt I'll be playing this concert recording in 40+ years but I'll be talking about the overall experience in the scope of my life and relationship with music.

Once again, I respect your opinion and am not arguing - just feeling the need to express my point of view, however greatly it may differ from yours.

What's your favorite version of The Eleven?

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Poster: Hal R Date: Oct 4, 2012 9:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

deadpolitics, your second paragraph here nails it for me. I was at the three shows at Edgefield and had a great time. There will be a time when we will no longer be able to see or hear these guys live and feel the magic vibe of our tribe. I too get the solitary joy of listening on an excellent sound system but will also continue to go with the energy and sound of the live scene.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 5, 2012 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

I usually don't post on Furthur threads because I have nothing positive to add,but I found this version of the "11" so atrocious I felt the need to point it out.I certainly don't question people going to the shows or listening back to the shows and enjoying the music,different strokes you know.I can't say that I have a favorite version of the Eleven,but here are a few I find to be top notch.
-68'-
8/23
10/12
12/29

-69'-
4/5
4/12
4/22
5/10
6/14
10/25

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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Oct 5, 2012 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Thanks for the list of recommendations. The Eleven is my hands-down favorite song from that era. Probably all the more reason Sunday night's interpretation was so meager.

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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Oct 4, 2012 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

They really just phoned in The Eleven, didn't they? Such a disappointment! OTOH, Terrapin (which I find too formulaic and symphonic for any improvisational band) had a great, long jam more reminiscent of Playin' or HCSS. NB: I was there, so no blaming headphones...the 11 was lame.

This post was modified by gratefuldiver on 2012-10-04 20:26:24

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 4, 2012 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

I didn't think it was phoned in. I was there and though I wasn't hanging on every note, there were some nice moments. Also, I like the way they've brought the lyrics to the forefront.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Oct 4, 2012 3:41pm
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I was there and though I wasn't hanging on every note, there were some nice moments.

That is pretty dim praise.

This post was modified by Diamondhead on 2012-10-04 22:41:19